Noua Europa-25 de membri EU
- Thread starter ciofu
- Start date
Filip Antonio
New Member
Superioritate
Cred ca te referi la Franta si mai la ales la presedintele ei, Cameleon Bonaparte. Daca UE se extinde, asta se datoreaza in buna masura Marii Britanii, cel mai consecvent partizan al extinderii in ultimii zece ani. Iar Danemarca a facut eforturi extraodinare in timpul presedintiei ei de anul trecut pentru a incheia procesul de extindere la timp. Sa nu confundam aroganta axa franco-germana si anexa sa pedofila - Belgia - cu intreaga Uniune Europeana.
ciofu said:
Cred ca te referi la Franta si mai la ales la presedintele ei, Cameleon Bonaparte. Daca UE se extinde, asta se datoreaza in buna masura Marii Britanii, cel mai consecvent partizan al extinderii in ultimii zece ani. Iar Danemarca a facut eforturi extraodinare in timpul presedintiei ei de anul trecut pentru a incheia procesul de extindere la timp. Sa nu confundam aroganta axa franco-germana si anexa sa pedofila - Belgia - cu intreaga Uniune Europeana.
Filip Antonio
New Member
UE si "strainatatea apropiata" - Guardian
Expanding union woos Russia
'Wider Europe' plan seeks to pacify those left outside club
Ian Black, european editor
Friday April 18, 2003
The Guardian
The EU reached out beyond its expanding borders yesterday to call for closer relations with powerful neighbours such as Russia and Ukraine, both too big ever to join the club.
Just a day after 10 new members, including eight former communist states from eastern Europe, signed their EU accession treaties, the Athens summit pledged an inclusive approach towards the rest of the continent.
Ending a ceremonial two days in the Greek capital, the 15 current members and the 10 newcomers endorsed a ringing declaration extending the hand of friendship and cooperation to 15 new neighbours.
"This is our vision of Europe," Romano Prodi, the European commission's president, said. "Europe has not enlarged in a spirit of egoism and exclusion. It is enlarging by offering its neighbours closer ties of neighbourhood."
The idea - known in Brussels jargon as "wider Europe" - is to prevent the emergence of new dividing lines across the continent once the EU's biggest enlargement comes into effect next May.
Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, the three Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Cyprus, and Malta signed their laboriously negotiated accession treaties in the shadow of the Acropolis on Wednesday.
Shorn of the inevitable flattery and rhetoric, "wider Europe" is about avoiding a return to cold war divisions while refraining from raising unrealistic expectations that Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Russia could ever join.
All are either seen as too poor, too undemocratic, or simply too different to be part of a club which some founder members, such as France, feel is getting unmanageably big.
Wealthy states such as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are also included in wider Europe, but are not the problem. The real issue is where the continent's borders end.
An EU with 25 member states and a population of 450 million will stretch from Ireland to Estonia, and from Finland's Arctic circle to Cyprus in the eastern Mediterranean.
Others are already queueing. Bulgaria and Romania plan to join in 2007, while Turkey is aiming to start long-delayed entry talks in 2005 - if it meets EU standards on human rights and democracy.
Croatia has also applied to join and the EU has told other countries of the former Yugoslavia, including Serbia and Albania, that they too will one day be welcome.
"Europe is more than geography," said Dennis MacShane, Britain's Europe minister. "It is an idea and set of values that raise the democratic, human rights and economic game from the Atlantic to the Urals."
Yesterday's declaration included a pledge to promote trade and investment, open up markets, fight organised crime and terrorism, build up energy and transport networks and respect human rights.
Mr Prodi said the EU wanted to offer its neighbours all the benefits of membership, short of voting rights and full participation in its institutions.
The Greek prime minister Costas Simitis, the summit host, said: "Athens is the basis for new steps to see what we can do to make sure that Europe, despite all the differences, can work together to achieve peace and prosperity."
The most difficult problem is with Russia, angling for a special relationship with the union - like the one it already has with Nato - which may be formalised at the annual EU-Russia summit in St Petersburg next month.
The Russian foreign minister, Igor Ivanov, who was also in Athens, yesterday invited the leaders of both the current and future EU states to the summit.
Expanding union woos Russia
'Wider Europe' plan seeks to pacify those left outside club
Ian Black, european editor
Friday April 18, 2003
The Guardian
The EU reached out beyond its expanding borders yesterday to call for closer relations with powerful neighbours such as Russia and Ukraine, both too big ever to join the club.
Just a day after 10 new members, including eight former communist states from eastern Europe, signed their EU accession treaties, the Athens summit pledged an inclusive approach towards the rest of the continent.
Ending a ceremonial two days in the Greek capital, the 15 current members and the 10 newcomers endorsed a ringing declaration extending the hand of friendship and cooperation to 15 new neighbours.
"This is our vision of Europe," Romano Prodi, the European commission's president, said. "Europe has not enlarged in a spirit of egoism and exclusion. It is enlarging by offering its neighbours closer ties of neighbourhood."
The idea - known in Brussels jargon as "wider Europe" - is to prevent the emergence of new dividing lines across the continent once the EU's biggest enlargement comes into effect next May.
Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, the three Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, Cyprus, and Malta signed their laboriously negotiated accession treaties in the shadow of the Acropolis on Wednesday.
Shorn of the inevitable flattery and rhetoric, "wider Europe" is about avoiding a return to cold war divisions while refraining from raising unrealistic expectations that Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Russia could ever join.
All are either seen as too poor, too undemocratic, or simply too different to be part of a club which some founder members, such as France, feel is getting unmanageably big.
Wealthy states such as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are also included in wider Europe, but are not the problem. The real issue is where the continent's borders end.
An EU with 25 member states and a population of 450 million will stretch from Ireland to Estonia, and from Finland's Arctic circle to Cyprus in the eastern Mediterranean.
Others are already queueing. Bulgaria and Romania plan to join in 2007, while Turkey is aiming to start long-delayed entry talks in 2005 - if it meets EU standards on human rights and democracy.
Croatia has also applied to join and the EU has told other countries of the former Yugoslavia, including Serbia and Albania, that they too will one day be welcome.
"Europe is more than geography," said Dennis MacShane, Britain's Europe minister. "It is an idea and set of values that raise the democratic, human rights and economic game from the Atlantic to the Urals."
Yesterday's declaration included a pledge to promote trade and investment, open up markets, fight organised crime and terrorism, build up energy and transport networks and respect human rights.
Mr Prodi said the EU wanted to offer its neighbours all the benefits of membership, short of voting rights and full participation in its institutions.
The Greek prime minister Costas Simitis, the summit host, said: "Athens is the basis for new steps to see what we can do to make sure that Europe, despite all the differences, can work together to achieve peace and prosperity."
The most difficult problem is with Russia, angling for a special relationship with the union - like the one it already has with Nato - which may be formalised at the annual EU-Russia summit in St Petersburg next month.
The Russian foreign minister, Igor Ivanov, who was also in Athens, yesterday invited the leaders of both the current and future EU states to the summit.
La atentia lui FA
Si de cind Marea Britanie e eurofila ? Inca de la inceputul constructiei europene, care debuteaza cu declaratia lui Schuman, Anglia s-a aratat foarte ostila ambtiilor supranationale ale Europei. Urmeaza in acest sens, declaratia lui Churchill de la Zurich care spune ca Europa se va construi fara Marea Britanie,aceasta va participa ca amic, nu si ca parte integranta.
Istoria Europei demonstreaza ca Marea Britanie nu a fost niciodata eurofila si cu atit mai putin simpatizanta a largirii Europei.
Cum a spus dl Klebes( a propos de origine fiind englez) ex vice- secretar general al Consiliului Europei "L'Angleterre n'a jamais sympathise l'Europe, et si elle y a adhere c'est pour la detruire de l'interieur".Cu asta am spus totul . Stiu ca cunosti franceza ,asa ca nu ma mai obosesc sa-ti traduc.
Si de cind Marea Britanie e eurofila ? Inca de la inceputul constructiei europene, care debuteaza cu declaratia lui Schuman, Anglia s-a aratat foarte ostila ambtiilor supranationale ale Europei. Urmeaza in acest sens, declaratia lui Churchill de la Zurich care spune ca Europa se va construi fara Marea Britanie,aceasta va participa ca amic, nu si ca parte integranta.
Istoria Europei demonstreaza ca Marea Britanie nu a fost niciodata eurofila si cu atit mai putin simpatizanta a largirii Europei.
Cum a spus dl Klebes( a propos de origine fiind englez) ex vice- secretar general al Consiliului Europei "L'Angleterre n'a jamais sympathise l'Europe, et si elle y a adhere c'est pour la detruire de l'interieur".Cu asta am spus totul . Stiu ca cunosti franceza ,asa ca nu ma mai obosesc sa-ti traduc.
Filip Antonio
New Member
Eroare
Ca de obicei gogomnii. John Major pe vremea cnd era Prim Ministru al Marii Britanii (i reamintesc, pentru c erai prea tnr pe atunci, 1990 -1997) a fost primul care a vorbit de lrgirea Uniunii Europene la nceputul anilor '90.
Dac Romnia se a fost inclus n rndul rilor care negociau aderarea la Uniunea European aceasta se datoreaz PERSONAL lui Tony Blair care a insistat n 1999, dei Romnia nu ndeplinea i nu ndeplinete nc condiiile necesare.
A mai meniona faptul c Marea Britanie care a sprijinit fr rezerve (nu ca Germania sau Frana, de pild) aderarea TUTUROR celor zece din primul val, va oferi DIN PRIMUL moment - mai 2004 -drept de munc i edere cetenilor celor zece noi membri ai UE. i este singura ar care nu apeleaz la o perioad de tranziie.
Apoi intereseaz-te care e procentul legislaiei europene PUS n practic de Marea Britanie, n comparaie cu Frana (care s'en fout de deciziile Comisiei Europene, atunci cnd nu-i convin, vezi anularea interdiciei importului de carne de vit din Marea Britanie) sau Germania.
Deci fapte, nu vorbe mari.
Eli said:
Ca de obicei gogomnii. John Major pe vremea cnd era Prim Ministru al Marii Britanii (i reamintesc, pentru c erai prea tnr pe atunci, 1990 -1997) a fost primul care a vorbit de lrgirea Uniunii Europene la nceputul anilor '90.
Dac Romnia se a fost inclus n rndul rilor care negociau aderarea la Uniunea European aceasta se datoreaz PERSONAL lui Tony Blair care a insistat n 1999, dei Romnia nu ndeplinea i nu ndeplinete nc condiiile necesare.
A mai meniona faptul c Marea Britanie care a sprijinit fr rezerve (nu ca Germania sau Frana, de pild) aderarea TUTUROR celor zece din primul val, va oferi DIN PRIMUL moment - mai 2004 -drept de munc i edere cetenilor celor zece noi membri ai UE. i este singura ar care nu apeleaz la o perioad de tranziie.
Apoi intereseaz-te care e procentul legislaiei europene PUS n practic de Marea Britanie, n comparaie cu Frana (care s'en fout de deciziile Comisiei Europene, atunci cnd nu-i convin, vezi anularea interdiciei importului de carne de vit din Marea Britanie) sau Germania.
Deci fapte, nu vorbe mari.
De ce adica gogomanii ? Marea Britanie insista asupra largirii UE,pentru ca stie ca la formula data ,comunitatea nu va tine,iar coeziunea dintre tari va fi si mai slaba decit in UE cu 15 membri,ceea ce ar bucura-o enorm.
Chiar iti este peste puteri sa te exprimi fara cuvinte urite ? de tip "gogomanii" et j'en passe... Aici iti mai aduc aminte ca aici e un forum si fiecare are dreptul sa-si exprime parerea, nu esti de acord, tant mieux, eu doar nu-ti raspund urit cum tu o faci ! Nu esti de acord,n-ai de gind sa-expui augumentele,eu le-am inteles,mi-e clara pozitia ta,nu era nevoie sa adaogi si prostii la inceput .
Chiar iti este peste puteri sa te exprimi fara cuvinte urite ? de tip "gogomanii" et j'en passe... Aici iti mai aduc aminte ca aici e un forum si fiecare are dreptul sa-si exprime parerea, nu esti de acord, tant mieux, eu doar nu-ti raspund urit cum tu o faci ! Nu esti de acord,n-ai de gind sa-expui augumentele,eu le-am inteles,mi-e clara pozitia ta,nu era nevoie sa adaogi si prostii la inceput .
Filip Antonio
New Member
Cum se contrazice Eli de la un mesaj la altul
I rest my case.
Eli said:
I rest my case.
Filip Antonio
New Member
Eli cea plin de ur
Eli, de ce te contrazici de la un mesaj la altul?
Eli said:
Eli, de ce te contrazici de la un mesaj la altul?
Si la conferintele de presa de la Atena acum, cel mai proeuropean si cel mai prointegrarii si acel care a mentionat ca in 2007 mai asistam la integrarea Romaniei si Bulgariei tot a fost Tony Blair. Vreau sa zic ca intradevar, asa cum britanicii se considera un popor total deosebit fata de altii si inclusiv Europa, ei sunt acei care au adus merite deosebite...
Filip Antonio
New Member
Remember 1940
Cnd toat lumea era sub clciul nazitilor i comunitilor, Marea Britanie era singura care inea piept urgiei brune. Frana dispruse ca stat, cucerita de prietena ei actual.
ciofu said:
Cnd toat lumea era sub clciul nazitilor i comunitilor, Marea Britanie era singura care inea piept urgiei brune. Frana dispruse ca stat, cucerita de prietena ei actual.
Re: Remember 1940
O facea gratie pozitiei sale insulare, si suportului SUA. Franta, printre altele atacase prima Germania nazista
Iar Rusia Sovietica era acea care a impins Germania din spate spre razboi. Iar azi asistam la o aliere intre Fr, De si Ru 
Nebanuite sunt caile Domnului.
Filip Antonio said:
O facea gratie pozitiei sale insulare, si suportului SUA. Franta, printre altele atacase prima Germania nazista
Iar Rusia Sovietica era acea care a impins Germania din spate spre razboi. Iar azi asistam la o aliere intre Fr, De si Ru Nebanuite sunt caile Domnului.Filip Antonio
New Member
Re: Remember 1940
Dragul meu, eti n eroare de la nceput pn la sfrit. Germania a atacat la 1 septembrie 1939 Polonia, dup care Marea Britanie i Frana au declarat rzboi Germaniei, dup care pn n mai 1940 a avut loc une drole de guerre, iar agresiunea propriu zis a nceput-o Germania care n trei sptmni a desfiinat Frana.
Iar cnd Germania cucerise Europa ntreag, Marea Britanie se btea singur, deoarece Statele Unite nu intraser nc n rzboi. Apoi Hitler avea planuri de invazie a Rusiei Sovietice de mult, aa nct n-a trebuit Stalin (care a fost prins prin surprindere de atacul german de la 22 iunie 1941) s-l mping.
Iar ntre Germania, Frana i Rusia nu exist dect cel mult o coordonare conhunctural, n nici un caz o "alian".
zeidrik said:Filip Antonio said:
O facea gratie pozitiei sale insulare, si suportului SUA. Franta, printre altele atacase prima Germania nazista
Dragul meu, eti n eroare de la nceput pn la sfrit. Germania a atacat la 1 septembrie 1939 Polonia, dup care Marea Britanie i Frana au declarat rzboi Germaniei, dup care pn n mai 1940 a avut loc une drole de guerre, iar agresiunea propriu zis a nceput-o Germania care n trei sptmni a desfiinat Frana.
Iar cnd Germania cucerise Europa ntreag, Marea Britanie se btea singur, deoarece Statele Unite nu intraser nc n rzboi. Apoi Hitler avea planuri de invazie a Rusiei Sovietice de mult, aa nct n-a trebuit Stalin (care a fost prins prin surprindere de atacul german de la 22 iunie 1941) s-l mping.
Iar ntre Germania, Frana i Rusia nu exist dect cel mult o coordonare conhunctural, n nici un caz o "alian".
Filip Antonio
New Member
Moticul atacrii Poloniei
A fost culminarea campaniei de furire a Germaniei Mari, nceput de Hitler n 1938.
zeidrik said:
A fost culminarea campaniei de furire a Germaniei Mari, nceput de Hitler n 1938.