Renuntam sau nu la Transnistria?

Aliona said:
Da poate dam si Gagauzia, ca tot nu va intereseaza, dar poate dam si vrio bucata de Transilvanie la unguri , la secui shi nu stiu care.
Mai "shiobeni" astai dragoste de neam?
Lumea a murit pe aceste pamanturi iar noi acum care nii cald si bine si nu am cunoscut greul razboiului sa imprastiem asa usor mostenirea lasata de stramosi?
Rushine patrioti!!!!

Aliona eu nu ziceam ca nu-mi pasa de Transnistria. Pur si simplu voiam sa spun ca romanii din Romania ar veni cu mare placere sa investeasca in Basarabia indiferent de ceea ce se intampla in Transnistria, daca Basarabia ar avea o conducere de incredere si mai putina coruptie. Am observat ca in special comunistii creeaza impresia ca tot ce merge prost in tara merge prost din cauza Transnistriei, cand de fapt merge prost din cauza lor.
 
dan123 said:
Aliona eu nu ziceam ca nu-mi pasa de Transnistria. Pur si simplu voiam sa spun ca romanii din Romania ar veni cu mare placere sa investeasca in Basarabia indiferent de ceea ce se intampla in Transnistria, daca Basarabia ar avea o conducere de incredere si mai putina coruptie. Am observat ca in special comunistii creeaza impresia ca tot ce merge prost in tara merge prost din cauza Transnistriei, cand de fapt merge prost din cauza lor.

Dar poate din cauza celor care stiu sa voteze pentru ei, cum scrie si in Biblie, fiecare popor isi merita conducerea, cam asa ceva.

Tati sau deprins sa dea vina pe cineva, pe ei iau votat ei conduc! Atit!
Iar daca cineva vrea sa investeasca bani aici o face si fara a se teme de transnistria!
 
Aliona said:
Dar poate din cauza celor care stiu sa voteze pentru ei, cum scrie si in Biblie, fiecare popor isi merita conducerea, cam asa ceva.

Tati sau deprins sa dea vina pe cineva, pe ei iau votat ei conduc! Atit!
Iar daca cineva vrea sa investeasca bani aici o face si fara a se teme de transnistria!

Pai asta ziceam si eu, ca nu are nici o relevanta Transnistria. Iar de conducerea din Moldova nu e vinovata Romania, asa ca sa nu mai aud pe cineva ca romanii nu-s frati adevarati pentru ca nu investesc in Moldova. Stiti cum e proverbul ala "frate, frate da branza-i pe bani."
 
dan123 said:
Pai asta ziceam si eu, ca nu are nici o relevanta Transnistria. Iar de conducerea din Moldova nu e vinovata Romania, asa ca sa nu mai aud pe cineva ca romanii nu-s frati adevarati pentru ca nu investesc in Moldova. Stiti cum e proverbul ala "frate, frate da branza-i pe bani."

SI ATUNCI DE CE SA RENUNTAM LA TRANSNISTRIA? OARE NUS SI EI FRATII NOSTRI?
 
Aliona said:
SI ATUNCI DE CE SA RENUNTAM LA TRANSNISTRIA? OARE NUS SI EI FRATII NOSTRI?
:)))))))) eu mereu am sustinut reintegrarea transnistriei in moldova, uita-te mai in urma in post-urile mele.
 
dan123 said:
:)))))))) eu mereu am sustinut reintegrarea transnistriei in moldova, uita-te mai in urma in post-urile mele.
da eu nu de tine zic ci in genere de tema asta!
Tu esti bravo! imi place ca esti adevarat patriot!
 
romanii nu-s interesati de transnistria pentru ca nu a fost pamint romanesc(deit ocupat) dar este pamint moldovenesc iar acei oameni nu trebuia abandonati.
 
Sventlana, nu exista asa ceva ca pamant moldovenesc distinct de cel romanesc. In Romania, despre Transnistria nu se vorbeste atat cat ar trebui, iar de cand cu sagetile trimise peste Prut de guvernul moldovean multi romani nu stiu ce sa mai creada. Cert este ca in republica banditului de Smirnov aproape 40% din populatie este reprezentata de etnici romani. De aceea, Transnistria nu trebuie lasata de izbeliste.
 
Husky40 said:
Sventlana, nu exista asa ceva ca pamant moldovenesc distinct de cel romanesc. In Romania, despre Transnistria nu se vorbeste atat cat ar trebui, iar de cand cu sagetile trimise peste Prut de guvernul moldovean multi romani nu stiu ce sa mai creada. Cert este ca in republica banditului de Smirnov aproape 40% din populatie este reprezentata de etnici romani. De aceea, Transnistria nu trebuie lasata de izbeliste.
Iar pentru ceic are ar vrea schimb cu Bucovina de Nord sau Buegeacul (desi ar trebui sa fie constienti ca nu se practica schimburi de teritorii in secolul XXI), acest procent este mai mare decat cele 10-15% reprezentate de romani in aceste 2 teritorii.
 
DA. DAR BANI.

10 euros/mp

In legatura cu moldovenii. Ei se inmultesc mult mai mult ca rusii.

Procentul sare imediat.
 
Re: de bagat piciorul in Transnistria?

Andolino;136409 said:
Occidentul a sustinut Transnistria
18 iunie 2006

Conform dreptului international, Transnistria are drept la desprinderea de Moldova. Aceasta declaratie senzationala a fost facuta, surprizator, nu la Tiraspol si nici chiar la Moscova, ci la Washington, de un grup de specialisti de renume de la cunoscutele in intreaga lume Universitati Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford si Harvard, scrie Komsomolskaia Pravda.

Expertii care au participat inclusiv la elaborarea acordurilor de la Dayton de impartire a Iugoslaviei, in raportul lor special au aratat ca, din punct de vedere istoric, Transnistria nu a fost niciodata parte a Moldovei. Din vointa lui Stalin, acest teritoriu a intrat abia in ajunul celui de-al Doilea Razboi Mondial in componenta nou formatei Moldove sovietice. "Dezvoltata din punct de vedere industrial, Transnistria urma sa ridice Moldova agrariana si ramasa in urma si care pana atunci tremurase amarata sub coroana romaneasca", precizeaza Komsomolskaia Pravda. Iar la dezintegrarea URSS, s-a produs, practic, impartirea Moldovei sovietice in doua tari, pentru ca Tiraspolul detinea aceleasi atribute statale ca si Chisinau.

In prezent, spun expertii occidentali, Transnistria si-a demonstrat pe deplin viabilitatea ca stat independent. Are Constitutie, are un guvern care functioneaza eficient, are o unitate monetara proprie, un sistem de impozitare si o legislatie proprie, precum si o populatie mai numeroasa decat in unele tari europene. (Agentia "Rusia la zi" – 18 iunie 2006)

sursa: http://www.rusialazi.ro/index.php?a=externe2006061801.xml


Andolino, citeste asta:

Propaganda sovietica se intoarce
Kremlinul inventeaza institute pro-Transnistria

Expertii cu propaganda din era sovietica si-au gasit o noua ocupatie: sa creeze "institute de cercetare" cu aura de prestigiu care sa serveasca intereselor Kremlinului. O astfel de organizatie-fantoma este "Consiliul International pentru Institutii Democratice si Suveranitate Statala", care a publicat in luna iulie un raport in sprijinul recunoasterii republicii separatiste Transnistria, se arata intr-o ancheta a saptamanalului "The Economist". Raportul s-ar baza pe cercetarile mai multor avocati de prestigiu, inclusiv un oficial al Departamentului de Stat, si profesori universitari de la Stanford, Oxford si Harvard, care ar fi participat la o conferinta internationala la Washington, in aprilie 2006. Jurnalistii de la "The Economist" au aflat insa ca acea conferinta nu a avut loc si ca nici unul dintre profesorii si oficialii citati nu a avut de a face cu aceasta organizatie. Consiliul le-a retras intre timp numele din raportul care, desi scris in engleza intr-un stil savant si cu citate din latina, contine erori lingvistice tipice rusilor. Dubioasa este si locatia acestei organizatii, care sustine ca se afla in SUA, desi nu exista nici o adresa la care poate fi gasita. Site-ul web este inregistrat la o adresa de hotel din Mexic, dar este administrat de la un server din Letonia.
Directoarea de program a Consiliului, Megan Stevenson, a raspuns la un e-mail, dar a refuzat sa vorbeasca la telefon sau sa dea informatii despre finantarea, personalul, sediul sau activitatile institutiei. "Daca vreti sa ajungeti la concluzia ca micul nostru grup de voluntari este un paravan al Kremlinului, fie. Dar declar ca nu este asa", le-a spus Stevenson celor de la "The Economist".

sursa: http://www.romanialibera.ro/editie/index.php?url=articol&tabel=z07082006&idx=66

Cred ca ne-am lamurit cat de veridice sunt informatiile agentiei "Rusia la zi"!
 
Basarab1;144997 said:
APROPO: Bush i-a spus lui Basescu.

Sprijinim integritatea MOLDOVEI.

USA >>> Rusia.

si Voronin, speriat, fuge la Putin de-i cere "normalizarea relatiilor cu Rusia" prin Transnistrizarea Moldovei....mai bine asa decat cu "prietenul meu foarte bun Basescu"....ne da de gandit asta+ si declaratiile ale cu ocupantii si eliberatorii...
 
Articol n "The economist"

"The economist" este o publicaţie britanică de prestigiu. Iată un articol de-al lor despre Transnistria:

http://economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7252974

Old and new information tricks

Disinformation
Aug 3rd 2006

Cold-war propaganda wars return

SOVIET propagandists were experts in the art of disinformation: planting specious stories in obscure corners of the media, claiming, for example, that the CIA invented AIDS. Now Russia's interests are once again being promoted by information sources that look plausible, at least until you look closely at their antecedents.

Take, for example, the International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty (ICDISS), a grand-sounding outfit that says it works on result-oriented nation-building for new and emerging states. It produced a report in July supporting international recognition for Transdniestria, a breakaway region of Moldova that has had Russian support and Western disapproval since a brief civil war in 1992.

Slickly produced and heavily footnoted, the report was publicised in Russia and Transdniestria as evidence that influential outside opinion was conceding the case for independence. That would be in sharp contrast to all Western governments' policy to date, which has been trying, rather ineffectually, to reunite Transdniestria with Moldova.

The report says it is based on the work of a bunch of well-known international lawyers, including a serving State Department official, and academics from Stanford, Oxford and Harvard. It implies they attended a conference at the Beacon Hotel in Washington, DC, in April 2006.

The truth is rather different. For a start, the Beacon Hotel has no record of any such conference. None of the supposed outside experts attended it. Those contacted crossly denied involvement, though one, a doctoral student, says he did offer some advice. The ICDISS has now removed the names from the report.

That is puzzling enough. But the ICDISS is even odder. It has no address and no telephone number. Although its website, and an entry on a write-it-yourself encyclopedia, Wikipedia, claim that it was founded in 1999, there is no trace of its activities, or of its supposed staff members, in news databases or the internet before January this year. Since then, it seems to be solely involved in promoting Transdniestria. It claims to be based in America, but does not appear to be a charity there (for more on the ICDISS, see this article).

Its website is registered at a hotel address in Mexico, with a phone that does not answer, and operated from a server in Latvia. And that is positively illuminating compared with the report's other supposed publisher, the Euro-Atlantic Joint Forum Contact Group, which seems to have no existence other than its logo.

The report itself is written in professional legalese, peppered with Latin phrases and confident references to precedent. But some bits read awkwardly, with mistakes (telephone centrals rather than exchanges) often made by Russians writing in English.

Reached by e-mail, the ICDISS programme director, identifying herself as Megan Stephenson, declined to talk on the telephone, or to give details of ICDISS financing, staff, headquarters or other activities. The group wished to keep a low profile because of its previous involvement in protests in Venezuela, which had led to the arrests of its activists, she explained. A sentence on a dormant Venezuelan opposition website does acknowledge help from the ICDISS, although how, when and where is not clear. If you wish to reach for the somewhat strained conclusion that our little group of volunteers is a Kremlin front, then so be it, but I again state clearly for the record that this is not the case, insists Ms Stephenson.

The Transdniestria report is oddly similar to a recently published English-language psychiatric assessment of the Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili. This claims, falsely, to be endorsed by Western hospitals and research institutes. It portrays the Georgian leader (a Russian bugbear) as a paranoid hot-head.

One plausible conclusion is that the Kremlin is engaged in a new push to support Transdniestria and three similar statelets, as a response to the likely acceptance later this year of independence for Kosovo, a province of Serbia mostly populated by ethnic Albanians. Victor Yasmann, an analyst in Prague, predicts that Russia will invite the four to join the Commonwealth of Independent States, a Russian-led talking shop. That would be a half-way house to their full independence, a gain for the Kremlin and a setback for the West.

Certainly Moldova, poor, weak, divided and neglected like no other ex-communist country, seems to be hotting up. Transdniestrian politicians have blamed Moldovan provocateurs for a bomb attack on a bus in Tiraspol, the capital, that killed eight people on July 6th. Transdniestria will hold another referendum on independence on September 17th. Western countries will not recognise it, but Russia may.

In Moldova proper, the Gagauz minority (Orthodox by religion, Turkish by ethnicity), which is strongly pro-Russian, is restive. It may demand independence too. The economy is reeling from a Russian embargo on its main export, winewhich is also imposed on Georgia. Transdniestria's economy, based on arms, steel and trade (critics say smuggling) is thriving.

Faced with all this, some in Moldova despair of an independent future. Better, perhaps, to abandon dreams of joining a cold-hearted Europe, and fall in with Russia's wishes: a neutral and federal Moldova, with a special status for the Russian language. Others ponder dumping Transdniestria and rejoining kindred Romania, from which they were separated by Stalin in 1940. That idea seemed outlandish, until it was floated last month, with seeming seriousness, by Romania's president Traian Basescu.

Such thoughts are a distraction, argues Andrei Popov, at a think-tank in Moldova. The real task should be to reform the country's dismal justice system, local government and investment climate. Enviability is the best way to stability, not fretting over the means of failure.
 
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